LRH Aides Conference
This is the sixth November, 1969, Flag Org Officers Conference.
Okay, I just wanted to call you together. There are two matters here of interest and the first of those is the local campaign. I want to call to your attention, having heard the article, you told me it was the same as Lisbon. It isn’t the same as Lisbon, it’s a brand new pitch, utterly and brand new, whereby we’re an espionage vessel of some kind or another, and we rush money to the bank with motor cycle escorts. And it’s just kooky, and it is so easily knocked out, there are so many false reports in it. For instance, if you look at it you, it says sixty women on board. The crew list invalidates that, doesn’t it? Or does it?
(Officers: 60 out of 90)
MSH: Oh no, that’s not right. Actually the last time I was counting, we had a greater majority of men aboard the ship.
Ron: Well anyway, that datum is for the birds and then that we were denied Greece is denied by our Greek letter and you can just mop up the Earth with these guys — you see, and it’s the voice of M.I.6 in Morocco.
Now if they wanted to know that that’s the opposition paper — their opposition is of course M.I.6. But anyway, I leave that to you to go ahead and run this thing down.
There’s another caper I could write up about this that I wanted your opinion on — is to have Peter Warren assemble the contractors — and tell the contractors, this guy’s trying to knock out — just call up the boys at M.I.6 in Morocco and tell them to advise their friends not to buy advertising in that paper because it says they don’t exist — invalidates the fact that the ship is being repaired in the port — so it is actually inferring that there are no repairs in the port. And it’s a direct strike at them and their future business. Because if this sort of thing goes on and happens when ships come into Casa Blanca, they very soon will find their business flat on the back, you see.
And they should spread it around that their friends should not advertise [?] similar opinion. That is one of the ways at striking back this way — but you can strike back in several ways and you should strike back, because we intend to secure this territory.
As you see, it is actually — amounts to a military objective of denying us terrain — do you see that? That is a basic military objective, and the — if you have not heard the tape of summary which I made which gives our policy along in that line, I invite you to hear that. I think four copies of that tape — four copies — ought to be sent to Jane, so that she can keep one and send some others out to her A/Gs. ‘Cause that gives her policy — that is a new policy by the way.
What you have been doing before is uncovering their people — this is hard to do — we’ve been uncovering their people — well, it has been successful to that degree — don’t you see?
But it isn’t all that successful whereas we have another one — i9s this idea of we would just invalidate their data to one and all showing them then to have some covert motive. Because they’re feeding false reports into the public and intelligence organizations of the world. Do you see? And that is from the definition of the Art of War, some thousands of years old — of — who’s this guy’s [na]me?
MSH: Sun Tzu.
LRH: Sun Tzu — and this boy has — says there are five types of agents — one of them is the dead agent. He’s the dead agent because he gives false reports to the enemy, and when the enemy finds out they are false, they shoot him. And in that bit of Chinese wisdom, all we’ve got to do is prove conclusively that these boys are booting around false reports and it invalidates all of their sources.
Now you see, that is superior to the action that we were carrying forward of unearthing their agents. You unearth their agents for sure and go on this way as we have been, but — our main action — because we don’t know all of the agents who are operating — so it invalidates any of their intelligence reports and that sort of thing.
Now even though western intelligence services are absolutely rotten at the top — they must be — otherwise their security would not be as bad as it is. To have psychiatrists sit on the advisory panels of the CIA and M.I.6 who meet yearly in conference with Russians, and knowing as any intelligence, competent intelligence officer should know — the Russians never let anybody out of the country unless he’s a KGB or GRU. KGB is their general intelligence. GRU is their military intelligence.
And Penkovsky says that nobody could — Talking about getting into diplomatic relations with the Russians is silly, because their embassies contain nothing but KGB and GRU. There’d be something like five KGB and three GRUs and then a couple of clerks, who of course have been cleared, who handle the protocol and that is a normal Russian agency.
All right, if the enemy can invade an intelligence service to that degree that is not uncovered — then it takes us to uncover that — then there’s some other fact emerges. That right up at the top, along about the level of Under Secretary of Justice or something like this, you have a red hot, do you see? It’s not a slight revelation. But this fact can also be drawn by the public, do you see? So even though they’ve got somebody at the top who’s trying to knock things through covert lines, it obviously elects the fact as an intelligence action, because the guy at the top knocking things through the covert lines and so forth, daren’t forward them overtly. Got it?
So he’s got plenty to hide. Well, if you just keep invalidating his data and showing that his data is false — you invalidate and clean up all of their damned intelligence files.
Now, new data poured in on top of that then demonstrates conclusively that it also is false. Do you follow? So you’ve invalidated a very widespread network which is not available to you by mere exposure. Do you understand?
So your action is just to continuously work at it like mad to develop documentary evidence of the falsity of report. That requires the report. And then you get the documentary evidence that shows it is false, and then you present this to the agencies involved. And not everybody is in on this, don’t you see?
A Western Intelligence service and so forth isn’t solid Russian. It’s only a minority Russian. Otherwise, they’d have the whole country — they would have run the hammer and sickle up a long time ago, don’t you see?
You see, I don’t even know that the — you’ll see CIA’s definition of Communism. And Soviet Russia is that Communism is a political party which uses the Soviet Union as a front group.
Now, we, at the same time this is going along, have got to make friends with the Soviets. Not to forward any of their purposes or anything of the sort, but we already have an “in.” We are already in the process of making friends with them, because our books are being displayed in their book fairs. And I can assure now that being Communist-connected is praiseworthy, rather than otherwise throughout the West. Only Communists have a say so in the press. Rightist is a very bad thing to be.
Now this local story is interesting that it doesn’t mention my name, doesn’t mention Scientology, and so forth, weird. So it’s a new line, it’s a new attack. And certain things have died out, and we don’t even know if it isn’t, isn’t from some other channel of service.
But never let one of these things go by. And use it to invalidate intelligence. Invalidate false intelligence. Use this as a beautiful opportunity to invalidate false intelligence.
Now any new report that comes in in the future will hit this in the files of this country’s security police. They say, “Oh, just another one. Oh, to hell with it.”
So that’s one thing an intelligence officer hates is a false report. They just fowl him up left, right and center. And he himself feeds them to the enemy. His difficulty is trying to identify a false report. So you’re going to have to identify what reports are false to them, don’t you see?
And remember the old Soviet line of three steps forward, two steps backward. In other words, you’ve got to have three successes for every two loses. But you’re in the business of conquering terrain. The right to move freely about in, and do business in countries, that’s what they are trying to deny us. So the objective is plain. Very plain objective here, right?
I also call to your attention this business of power. All they’re trying to do is reduce our power. They must figure that we are potentially terribly powerful. 1958 they decided that we were a threat to psychiatry. A covert operation has as its target: the reduction of the power of an opponent. And it doesn’t necessarily include increasing their home power at all.
So psychiatry’s operation at the present moment is reducing our power. As they do this, they are reducing their own power. The damn fools are muddying up the entire field of mental health, and they’re getting their damned teeth kicked in. Do you follow?
Now, you must be very quick with this present operation, this present action.
Always fire off quickly. Now it behoove[s] you not to look too professional.
Lean very heavily on the advices of the attorneys, but don’t let us get caught as we got caught in Greece. That attorney was inactive. He didn’t strike, do you understand?
And that’s how we lost the chips in Greece. We didn’t [?], do you follow? We didn’t carry this thing through.
But we now have a common denominator we didn’t have before. There’ve been four consecutive countries where this covert operation has sought to deny income and technology to the country involved, by false reports. So therefore the country has a vested interest in it also. Okay.
I didn’t want to go into it to any great length — but there are points in this. I have discussed them with, with Brian and the points which we have to do to undertake this. You’ve got to get these things real clear, real clean cut and follow them through very relentlessly, and make sure they are actioned. Do you follow?
You’ve got a programme that’s been running for some time now which will secure Morocco. It started way back, fortunately. We also started a programme way back in Greece, and it didn’t get there, because of the political instability of the country and the presence of the U.S. fleet and a bunch of other things of this kind. Got it?
Now our steps are very clear cut. We just run into this guy with a truck with lawyers. You also got a caper with Warren and the contractors. You’ve got another caper — you can buy or get that statement from the Panama Consul or any other person he has said this to, and that coupled with a letter which you will undoubtedly get — crossing our fingers — many a slip twixt promise and lip. Plus the Greek action runs this guy over the hill.
But another point which should be made, and this should be made very directly to the lawyer, si the opposition paper here. It is quite obviously motivated by [?] Now, we can run this caper back into Morocco. We can run, ah, pardon me, into Rhodesia. We can run this capter into Australia, we can just run this right on down and we will just keep doing this.
The Select Committee Report of the guy named Salter is a marvelous thing in — because he said that we did what psychiatry does and we provedly do not do.
You’ve got to get a proof that we didn’t do it, such as book number so and so and so and so inveighing against hypnotism, and any statement about brainwashing. You have to know something about brainwashing. Brainwashing is an action where a man is beaten and starved for seventy days, like they do in institutions. We don’t have any institutions to do that in. Do you understand?
It’s a technical action. So he’s found out in the field of technology. And then right along with that is your absolute proof, your documentary action, the World Federation of Mental Health. This guy is a member of it. You take the chapter and verse that shows that he is and then that is in continuous communication with Soviet Russia.
In other words, you hang him as a red agent. And you want to know why a red agent’s word is being taken before the Select Committee of South Australia. Just give you an idea, see.
Now that can be internally rabble roused, and that sort of thing. There’s a lot of ways to play this thing, but the way to play it is the invalidation of data. So it takes documentary action, and you’ve got to figure out what that is, right?
Alright, any questions on that?
Alright, I’m through with it.
FLAG ORDER 137
THE SEA ORGANIZATION
For the Sea Organization is composed of the “aristocracy” of Scientology.
These people, alone and on their own are all stars in the sky of their areas.
It is like one of the old regiments of gentlemen where any private would be, in another but common regiment, a colonel.
Denying the skill and fame of.these individuals to Scientology at large would seem at first glance an extravagance and very wasteful.
And it would be except for one or two things.
In 1966 I made the actual test of what I could accomplish alone (much as any OT) in the wog world. I won the affection of the people of an entire small country and changed it. But a small determined clique of our SP friends made sure I lost. True, as they are locally and internationally unpopular, that they made me go opens all doors to us there when they are overthrown, as they will be, merely on the rationale that if they opposed us then we are all right.
But this adventure showed several things to be true. An unsupported OT without OT organization around him can lose ground. Holding a fixed position in a nation invites trouble. Cost to me, to do this, in terms of cash, was greater in less than five months than the whole Sea Organization in nearly a year. Even in full success, without organization, I would have done, less good than a similar period with organization. There was no personal case gain in it.
I an a great one for pioneering alone to find “holes in the fence”. Well, that’s what I did in 1966. And I concluded several things. First was that on an international basis one has to get in Ethics before he gets in tech. Second was that OTs did better amongst OTs. Third that OTs were most valuable as a disciplined organised group. Fourth, that one could not, with such power, hold a fixed position without losing ground. Fifth, that we grow stronger as we continue to remain “Fabian”. Sixth, that the Sea is the best area on which to be Fabian on this planet. Seventh, that we had to learn to work together as OTs before we could take in further territory. Eighth, that we could do our job best if we all grow more accustomed to handling Mest. Ninth that the Sea Organization as it is developing is our best personal and international answer.
So, the Sea Organization is composed of people who alone would excite great admiration but who together, well organised, can actually get the job done.
And although our lowest deck hand could be a “duke” only all of as together could get on with the job.
And that’s how and why (with allowances for security in the crypticness of this text) the Sea Organization came into being and why we are here.
L. RON HUBBARD
Hubbard, L. R., (1967, 12 September). A Command The Sea Organization. (Flag Order, 137).
LRH CONFERENCE WITH THE INVESTIGATORS
17th August, 19661
This is 17th of August, and I will just make a record here for you own private information, 1966, and I suppose there are some questions you would like to ask me on this and that.
Before you do, I would just like to give a rundown on the situation.
I myself am not unfamiliar with your line of country. I myself was a D-3 office[r] of Naval Intelligence with the US Navy as Intelligence Officer in the Asiatic fleet at the beginning of the World War II, served previously around Washington and New York.
In the spring of 1942, they however found they had great scarcity of Master Mariners and so on and the FBI took over the complete entirety of Naval Intelligence at that time and so those of us who were qualified as Deck Officers were transferred over to the line and I went from there. Nevertheless, I was in this line of country for some time — well this doesn’t make me a “bug” on the situation — makes me familiar with it.2
In 1950, I’ll give you some background history on this, I started a Foundation. I didn’t have control of this Foundation; it was started by a number of business men who were in who believed in human betterment, and they began a Foundation called the Hubbard Research Foundation, Elizabeth, N.J.
At that time I wasn’t ever owning up to having done the research. I had written a book and it had become a bestseller, and they had taken over, and the Foundation, to continue the researches. I was actually at that time backing out of the whole thing and I was scheduled to take an expedition. I’ve been a member of the Explorer’s Club for many years, and have commanded several expeditions. I was going down to the [Dandecaues], and there was a ship down there that was full of Greek statuary which had been wrecked in Roman times and they had aerial photographs of it, and I had a job to look at this. And I was just backing out very gorgeously, you see, and they pleaded with me not to go. Things were becoming very busy, popularity of this work exceeded anything they had ever dreamed of.
It was riding the top of the Best Seller list throughout the summer of 1950, it was a sellout all over the place and so I said all right I’d give them a hand until July, and then I would have to go on and do something that was more in my line of country, you see.
By July I found out that people were doing things with this technology which had been released which were not necessarily harmful just terribly off beat, messed up, and I saw that it was all about to go down the river, and the Board at that time begged me to stress the fact that I had done the research, and the work was basically mine, and that I should take some administrative control for this. Well, so I took some administrative control.
Well, if you ever saw a shambles it had begun right at that moment, not because I was in administrative control but just shambles. It was so bad there were about four people killed out in California. There was an effort to kidnap me, which only my somewhat hard won knowledge of Judo and so forth got me out of — I put two blokes in the hospital — very very adventurous.
A woman sued me for divorce to whom I was not married3; she was the mistress of a scientist, an atomic scientist, and he had been my friend, and he had died4. Well anyway, to make a long story short, she haunted me — and it was just too thick — offices were being robbed and, oh my goodness.
By this time there were five of these branch offices to the Foundation — I still had no administrative control over this and the Boards would pass all sorts of resolutions and spend money in all different directions – I had no control over this.
But I did have control over the fact that we were being knocked around badly, so I went down and saw a friend of mine who was an assistant of Hoover’s, J. Edgar Hoover, and he said, “Well, Ron, I can’t do anything for you by telling you anything about your staff, but if you give me a list of all of your staff members of all of these Foundations, I will give you back a list which will startle you, and tell you which ones of them are not members of the Communist Party. I’ll give you back that list”.
That was news to me, what was this? So I gave him that list that included a thousand staff members in these five organizations, and he gave me back a list and it had two hundred fifty-seven names missing off it. Well, he wised me up just to this point, “Communists”, he said, “are under orders to infiltrate all sorts of organizations, and you are just getting more than your share of popularity and if they can bend this activity over to their own uses they would be very excited about it, and so forth.”
Well, I slogged through the remainder of 1951 and eventually…I had no control of these organizations at all and they, through mismanagement and so forth by their existing Boards, they folded up and I went off down to Phoenix, Arizona, and I started a Scientology organization.
The name of the earlier subject was Dianetics, and you will find that is still in useful practice, but it was basically a healing subject. We got in bad with the healing professions because the publisher and a medical doctor, not me, said that any two people could use it and get well instantly, and it was Walter Winchell no less who said it was a greater development than the wheel and arch. That wasn’t me. Now these people staring attributing these statements to me.5
Well, I parted company with this field because I did not want to be mixed up with a healing activity because this was a philosophic line of research and I ran into Scientology and the basic subject from which Dianetics was derived, and I went on with this development down in Phoenix, Arizona, and I got the earliest Scientology Organization put together and I had control of that and it ran pretty well, and it has been prospering ever since.
I came over here to England — there were several groups over here in England that were at swords with each other — and they requested me to come over and make peace amongst them — so I made a branch of the American Office in London and let these groups contribute their activity to it and its gone on from 1952 in England.
Now at the time, had it not been for responsibility to other people and so forth, I would actually very happily have pulled foot from all the administrative actions and so forth in regard to this, because it is a tumultuous field to end all tumultuous fields. You see me right now gazing longingly and casting sheep’s eyes at a yacht I am getting surveyed up at Hull right now and you see me going out to Rhodesia and slogging around and trying to get a connection with some of my own finances and so forth for a change, and it is a tough, tough line. And if it weren’t for my responsibility to other people in this matter, I myself would not have very much to do with it. That is the truth of the matter.
But now that I have taken responsibility along this line, I am very dedicated to certain propositions, and that is, first and foremost, the ethical application of the technology, it must be done right. It must be used properly. It mustn’t be used to hurt or harm people, and so on. Hence you see our Ethics activity.
Now in 1954, I got my first clue — and this is where you start coming in — I got my first clue as to the actual type of personality that gave us a slugging around.
Earlier, in doing research on the mind, and so on, I had become a special officer of the Los Angeles force. For a while I was down there having […] time. My beat was South Main and Alvarado and that is the toughest district there is down there. And I got a little insight into the criminal intelligence, and then I began to find out that I didn’t run across Communists who didn’t have a slightly or largely tainted criminal background. This was the big discovery to me — possibly it is very well known to the police, but the criminal seems to move over into that particular field.
Well, I’m not hepped up on this subject of communism. As a writer, before the War, and so on, I rubbed elbows with communists and socialists and extreme rightists and any other breed — I got along with all of them.
The Communists used to say to me, “Ron, you are on the wrong side of the fence. You should join us now because we are taking over the world,” and so forth, and I said, “You just go along and take over the world and let me get on with what I’m doing.”
There was no emotional [?] with this, and as time has gone on, I have gotten a deeper and deeper insight into the type of personality which raises the devil with this type of work, and it isn’t 90% of the human race, it is a figure as small as 20%. Of that 20%, only 2 ½ % of the 100, the other being 17 ½ %, the 2 ½% are really institutional cases. They are utterly mad.
Now they themselves — for various reasons, they cannot confront their own past. It would be entirely too painful to them. Therefore they cannot conceive of anyone else confronting his past, so they are opposed to anybody who tries to make people do this. And then in addition to this, they are terrified that something will be found out about them, because there is something to find out. And even if there isn’t, they are still afraid that something will be found out.
Now, it is this type of personality.
Now when I found out that they are in the minority I began to investigate whenever we started to take a shellacking. Whenever we started to be beaten around, I would get a private investigator in the area and have a look around and see who was at this and that activity.
Is [it] the suits, no, but that activity of investigation is the only thing which has tamed down attacks on Scientology. Not even a punitive action after the investigation was concluded but just the fact of investigation.
Now what happens — apparently the mechanism of is this — this chap here is of a self-betterment group. He hears that somebody is doing something about the mind. Well, he is ably aided and assisted with the fact that newspapers in all the years I’ve been around have never bothered to interview me — they just go off and write what occurs to them, you see. And when we have a win, or we sue somebody and we win, they never report this. We just get the total opposite picture.
You see it in the Council up here. Every time the Council turns down planning permission, they used to publish, “Doctor Hubbard receives a turn-down vote at Saint Hill,” and whenever they granted one, if it appeared at all, it would be at the bottom of the page in fine type.
The truth of the matter is that we’ve got more planning permission than anybody in the whole district. But this false picture continues to present itself, and if you go back in the newspaper files and clippings, you find this flood of stuff.
Now you take the Australian Enquiry which is giving us trouble right now. That Enquiry proceeded under executives who since have really been shot from guns by us, who would take no order of any kind. They did whatever they pleased, and they were operating apparently under a law code which was invented by a bunch of criminals to begin with.
Now this Australian Enquiry forbade — its got so many legal points — that it forbade me to appear. It said it couldn’t guarantee my personal safety if I appeared and testified there. They refused completely to do this — we are getting a booklet out in which all that evidence is authenticated. Now English law says that if a newspaper publishes something that happened to somebody abroad, it must have been testimony in a fair trial. And of course that was an unfair trial. And it wasn’t a trial really. And so it makes it actionable as it was republished in England. What we are getting out is reprintings of this sort of thing.
We get all sorts of weird things happening like this fellow Filson, he grabbed some papers which are not public issue papers but which are research materials. He sells them to a newspaper. The newspaper comes out and gives all sorts of weird, out of context reporting of this sort of thing. Well now then this kind of thing mounts up and we get an hostile environment as a result thereof.
Now you are running down somebody who apparently is one of this original type personality I was talking about. They are terrified and they push it forward.
What has actually happened in Scientology is that we have a technology which has been developed, which for instance permitted a fighter squadron in the United States to go over a whole year without a single clipped wing tip. They didn’t have an accident of any kind whatsoever.
Well, you can raise people’s IQ, you can half their reaction time, you can identify something about the nature of man which carries more truth or weight with him.
You are not doing anything which is criminal, don’t you see. There is no such action involved, but the fact that you are bettering him terrifies such people. They only approve of activities which kill man. Now this is the background in which we are operating.
Now you in your activities undoubtedly are responsible at this moment for far more damping out than you probably know. For instance, when I got back here, a letter had been written to me from the Ministry of Health in England, saying — I thanked them for turning down the Enquiry — and it was now, “Don’t be too sure that we are not going [to] inquire into Scientology after all,” you see. Not a threatening letter. I got it when I returned a few weeks ago. It had been sitting in my files all that time, waiting for me to see it. But you know, there hasn’t been anything of that, and they didn’t proceed [along] that line.
We had an enthusiasm on the part of The Daily Mail for trying to kick things around. Now writs were issued a week ago against The Daily Mail. They will be followed up by very good evidence and it is a very good suit, and they will undoubtedly settle this thing out of Court, and it will not appear in the press again.
Their man, by the way, Peter Younghusband, that they used to pull off this coup in Rhodesia, I now find out from Tony Hitchman, the Radio Rhodesian television, that isn’t his name. His name is something like Von der Staden or something, and he is a South African, and he operates under an assumed name and he is still kicking around Rhodesia.
Now Truth Magazine, which was about to be under suit by us, but once more our legal was not quick enough off the launching pad. We had an action there, not only against the government, but also against Truth Newspaper being let in from Canberra, not from Melbourne. And apparently they wrote Smith about the Enquiry. And Smith, the fool, wrote them back and said yes he would then have me investigated or words to that effect. And this was the source of Smith’s statement. Truth Newspaper of Melbourne. And a little clipping came through the other day, forwarded through by a student, which gave somewhat the gist of this. I am sure there were other stories, but you had better recover that clipping and show it to them.
Now the whole weight of my activity has very little to do with punishing people, but I think that by the time we run some of this down, and isolate it, some of it, I think that we will find that we are dealing with very few personalities. Now we can be completely certain that the few personalities with whom we are dealing have unsavory pasts. Now that is not not necessarily one which an intelligence officer would be expected to jump the gap of, because that is one which I have found out over the years.
There will be something wrong with the man’s past. Balniel, who advanced that question in Parliament, for instance, has a psychotic wife. Well, we don’t know that that is a bad background, but what’s she doing psychotic? What kind of a home atmosphere is this? What goes on in that vicinity, you see.
Now we ask such questions and there are answers. Now right here, locally on the Council, there are three members — I can’t call them off by name, I did have their names a few months ago — on Town and Country Planning, who are in actual fact complete mad dogs out of a committee of, I don’t know how many men on that committee, but those men are all bright, smiling cheerful. But these three mad dogs are being mad dogs. What makes them so mad dog?
[End of Tape Side 1]
If a Town and Country Planning were engaged in criminal activity, we would worry them frantic.
There is something going on here in terms of land speculation. It is only in this direction that the town can conceivably expand and it would expand normally in this particular direction. We are sitting on a lot of that land.
But more important than this, I spotted some time ago that as long as a planning permission existed as a rarity on certain pieces of property, that piece of property was up in the stars. But if other planning permissions were granted in that vicinity, then the price of that property deteriorated.
Now the one who runs this council up here, or did a year or two ago, was Lady Dudley Gordon, a very heavy property holder in this immediate vicinity. She considers, I am sure, that I am just pure and simple poison.
Whenever a planning permission is granted, there is always a tendency to reduce the price of property on which permissions are held. For instance, there was an old rag of a house down the road here by the reservoir, that was the awfullest piece of junk you ever looked at. Just a few uprights holding up a ragged roof, and it went for £8000 (eight thousand pounds) because it had a planning permission.
Now there is probably in the various property speculations individuals — people who engage in that type of thing very often do not have clean hands. Now it is the individual, then, whose deeds at the moment I feel you will find a very fruitful line. I just wanted to give you a fast rundown., and outline of how I looked at it, and what the score was with regard to it, and now
[Discussion here re type of crime found in Country Councils.]
And now I want you to tell me anything I can do to help you out in your jobs.
[Concerning the Minister of Health]
Yesterday we saw a Scientologist Pat Webster at London HASI whose brother Tony Webster has been causing some trouble, and this brother is in an executive position in a big import and export corporation in London and Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, and he has got a down on Scientology. I thought it was purely because of the sister.
However, I spoke to him on the telephone last night and told him I was part of a small organization that were wanting to oust Scientology, and wondered if we could meet. He said that he was going back to Malaysia tomorrow on the 2:45 plane from London Airport, and we have got a luncheon appointment with him for 12:30.
He said that he has seen Kenneth Robinson, the Minister of Health, he has been trying to do things against Scientology for ages and he will not stop. This is what he told me on the telephone. His name is WEBSTER. He is married to, his wife is a G.P., I suppose practicing in Malaysia. They have been on leave in this country for the last two months. And well, we primed him up quite well, and I think that we will get quite a lot of details from him tomorrow.
He has got a copy of the Victoria Report. He said, “Have you read the Victoria Report on Scientology?”
So I said, “No” and he said, “Well I’ve got a report,” he said, “Well I was in the House of Commons last week” and he said, “and it is shocking.”
He really is confident of himself, and that bothers me, so we have primed the job up, and we are going to London Airport to meet him for lunch, and you will have the report on Friday. But rest assured that we will find out as much as we can.
There was a slight indication that he might have been to the press. Yes, he did mention this last night, I forgot. He had go press cuttings, etc. Therefore we think that there might be a press contact, and we will try to establish who it is.
I feel it must be The Mail (Daily Mail) from the way he spoke, but he has very definitely been to the Government. (The House of Commons.)
LRH: Now in that man’s background there are a few bodies under culverts and things, I learned that the hard way.
His sister said he is a very, very — he is an extremist as far as Christianity is concerned, so there may well be — something could easily be out a lot.
LRH: Well, very good. Very good. Now what can I do for you?
This brings us into the general field of pursuing this type of thing. We naturally got together — it would be stupid if we didn’t — and of course we have come from three varied backgrounds — I have an Intelligence Security background, another police, and another with the MET. We have discussed our approach to this type of thing. We are wondering whether we shouldn’t put it on a more or less professionally covert background, because there does seem to be a dedicated opposition against you in many ways.
We are rather inclined to believe that the main hostility comes from the one particular paper, The Daily Mail Newspaper. We havn’t penetrated it enough, but as you will see from what we have written, there have been two penetrations, and I favour the direct intro using cover, if it is possible. Of course it is always fraught with difficulty, and very simple things could blow us.
LRH: Well, I took that up and I will try to give you as much cover as possible.
In this particular line of course, we wanted to make it quite clear that we were operating under a cover, and we would like to know if that meets with your approval.
We are not operating as from Scientology, as that would blow us right away, because we are up against it right away.
LRH: You would be.
Well actually, we wondered originally when the application was in The Telegraph for investigators, we’ve discussed obviously we are going to get vast amounts of wrong types applying for a job, which you did, Filson and Brady for instance. Now the thing is:
About making loud investigations, is it not better to do the investigation on the quiet and then when somebody comes up with something, shoot him back down with the information we have got about them, rather than do the investigation loud after the event. Let them jog along nice and quiet while the investigation is in progress, and then when we’ve got sufficient, then give them a broadside.
We found too, that to gather information about the local sie of things rather than at the top. We rather favour starting a little bit below the top, for example these Harmsworths and Northcliffe are running this NEWSIGHT thing, the man who is putting on the pressure is the head of the editorial feature department. He is the one fellow we have to uncover for example, Whitehead, you see?
You can’t go wrong there.
We rather feel that latitude given to the editorial men, as long as it conforms with the general policy of the paper, and God knows what we could uncover about Whitehead. He might be a complete alcoholic, etc., etc. We rather favour, although we have had projects given us of Carr, King, and Cudlipp, of the three we rather fancy Cudlipp more, we rather feel that starting a little bit below the top level would probably produce more results.
LRH: Well, I should think that your operation and the policy governing your operation should be arranged amongst yourselves. All I am asking is a result.
That is what we thought. Now that is what we want to do now. We cottoned on very quickly to your note, and that your interest in these matters are taboo, not to be divulged in any way. We would like to work beneath the surface a little bit, under cover if you like.
LRH: I heartily agree with you. Why don’t you organize the Bide-a-wee Detective Agency or Enquiry Agency?
Just what we wanted.
LRH:Why don’t you organize this and get this as a very, very separate organization.
Before you came today, [?], I mentioned to Nancy that apart from becoming completely divorced from this place we are becoming too stereotyped in our activities. We come in here on Wednesday and put our reports in and our expenses. We come in here on Friday and put further reports in and we pick up our pay and expenses as usual. We may be on the premises two hours sometimes, and we may be, as we were last Friday, for about fourteen hours. Now the point is is, that whilst we are so stereotyped, should there be anyone keeping observation on this place, it is the easiest thing to pick us out coming in regularly on a Wednesday or a Friday.
LRH: Too predictable.
Again, should there be anyone in this place — and nobody knows this for certain, and we have a hint that there is an informant inside Saint Hill — Filson hinted this to both Ron and myself when we went down to interview him a few weeks ago. When he tried to get in touch with us and we went down, and we came and reported fully to Monica all about this interview. And if this is so, and I for one am not prepared to overlook that this is true, then it is the easiest thing for any informer to say, “You can see them come here every Wednesday and Friday.” And as long as this continues, Mr. Hubbard, then we are in jeopardy. Whilst we are in jeopardy, you are in jeopardy.
It is more serious than that. It is a matter of safety as well as a matter of security, and if any type of arrangement that you can make in that way, go ahead and do so. I don’t know what it takes to license an agency.
Nothing. No license required.
I believe that some of our SPs, and undoubtedly this is one of the best ones we have had yet — (Chorus: “I agree”). And although Pat says he has only been interested in Scientology for the last month, that phone call last night indicated to me that he had been interested in Scientology for many more months, and he didn’t even know his sister was in the organization until a month ago.
His own mother is in Australia (I.e., Mrs. Webster). She is residing with the sister of Pat Webster. She is residing in Perth. Now if you got anyone who is disgruntled with any job or anything he is doing, like he is an SP from Scientology–
Say “Joe Bloggs” from London HASI, he goes off to his house in London and there is obviously some news interest in Scientology all the time, so the odd reporter goes around to “Joe Bloggs” and says, “Can you give me a statement?” “No.” “No…” “And so and so…” “But see old Jim Smith…”
And sooner or later he (the reporter) is getting a little bit of information from each one and building up the story and consequently will indicate to us that there is one big SP behind it. The SP, I think, is about the level of an editor, rather than Cudlipp, or King. I don’t think King is interested as long as his money is coming in to be quite blunt about it. I don’t think he would be interested in anything, as long as his finances are okay.
As long as the papers keep selling, he doesn’t care.
Providing the paper doesn’t print anything that would step on the toes of his associates in business, and I believe–
Here’s something astonishing with regard to men with money. I finally got a rundown on no less a person than Harry Oppenheimer6 I was looking for who was kicking over the traces down in South Africa because they are starting investigations concerning the organization for blasphemy.
So I took a small amount of my time I spent in Rhodesia to as a few questions about this, and you know this fellow Oppenheimer controls The Rhodesian Herald in Salisbury, controls the Argus Press, controls these various press activities down there. And what is more important is that he himself is so far on the outs with the Nationalist Party of South Africa that he has started at one time a party called The Progressive Party, which was able to elect exactly one MP, that was as far as it got. And he has been violently against “white supremacy.” Whether that is good, bad, or indifferent is besides the point. This man has been making his money out of the country and yet he is violently opposed to this. And his copper mines up in Zambia are being clobbered by the Zambian government, and yet this fellow is going right straight along just as pretty as you please, with people who are cutting his throat from ear to ear. And yet he is busy cutting the throat of the people who are trying to give him the law and order in which to operate in South Africa.
Now this is a very, very interesting picture. I will just give you my “think” on it, not an authoritative think, but I concede usually that the fellow has done something and when he does something this irrational, he is told to do it from somewhere. And when I see key figures all over the world make the same utterance simultaneously, I always get rather alert, and say, “Well, who’d have what on where?”
Now a theory is only as good as it works out, and if that theory doesn’t work out, well it doesn’t work out. But it is utterly mad to suppose that Harry Oppenheimer of all people would be favouring and buttering up the Zambian government which is destroying Anglo-American interests, and he is in actual fact fighting the existence of the Rhodesian government, which gives him carte blanche to mine anything in the country. And if there is a take-over in Rhodesia he will lose that carte blanche right away.Why is this man going contrary to his own interests? That is the only question. It isn’t that one favours one side over the other.
Because I was down there urging ‘one man one vote’ as far as that was concerned, which did me no good whatsoever. But just the same these people such as Oppenheimer have no reason on God’s green earth to act the way they do. Their conduct is irrational. Now I wondered if there wasn’t a contact between King and Oppenheimer, because King is also on the Board of Directors of the Bank of England, isn’t he?
This man King is a great seeker after power internationally. He has a lust for power, there is no doubt about that. You see it written through the whole of his history. His big disappointment must be his not having a knighthood.
I would bring up his papers apart from The People, just a scandal sheet on Sundays anyway, his newspaper group hasn’t printed a thing against Scientology.
This is true.
LRH: But he is a director with Carr of the NPA, which has banned our advertisement, and come in through the back door, so to say. It could tie in.
When I did an extrapolation of this, if it were a conspiracy, it led to somebody who had interest in mental healing, the press and high finance. Because they were able uniformly to influence income tax and treasury departments, and influenced the Ministry of Health, and influenced the policy papers. And it was so uniform and the patter was so uniform — the attack is a pattern, same pattern every time — that I wondered who this bloke, or blokes, or group could possibly be. So anyway, that is the project on which you are working. Is there anything else I can do…
We would like to know how far you would like to go as far as things like —
[End of Tape Side 2]
- Document studied on Confidential GO Intelligence Course. PDF format. Text formatted for ease of reading. Other minor edits were also made in the transcript. ↩
- See FOIA response letters re: Hubbard’s US Navy service record. Hubbard’s OMPF here. ↩
- Sara Northrup, whom Hubbard married bigamously. ↩
- John Whiteside Parsons (October 2, 1914 – June 17, 1952) ↩
- The Synopsis in Dianetics: Modern Science of Mental Health begins: “The creation of dianetics is a milestone for Man comparable to his discovery of fire and superior to his inventions of the wheel and arch.” (Synopsis, pp. ix-xx. Paperback edition first published October 1968. Twentieth-fifth printing, June 1981.) Los Angeles: Bridge Publications, Inc. ↩
- Wikipedia: Harry Frederick Oppenheimer. ↩
18th July 19661
CONFERENCE with The Guardian, LRH Aide, LRH Communicator, Legal WW, Guardian Communicator and the Head of Intelligence Branch 5, Office of LRH
This action has to do with the recent adventure and the current suits on the London Daily Mail; has to do with the Newspaper Proprietors Group or whatever you call that activity and is very short and sweet.
I just reviewed this situation with the Guardian and I find out as follows: That a criminal act has occurred and that the publications of materials copyrighted and classified materials have been published in this newspaper belonging to this particular group. Now this makes not a civil suit — this is a criminal act and I just thought about this and it seemed to me to be relatively simple to classify the subject and to label the head of the Newspaper Proprietors Group as accessory to crime.
Now exactly what that crime would be is at least receiving stolen goods. Now I’m perfectly prepared to put in a claim to the police that on my return certain classified papers were missing and pursuant to that that these classified papers — which were NOT for public issue and which were para-Scientology and did not represent Scientology and so forth, had been filched and that they were accepted and purchased apparently by these proprietors and that they have published them in first one and then another of their newspapers showing that there is association between those two papers and they are purchasing stolen goods and making use of them for their own profit.
In addition to that, that they sought to bar out the principal witness and plaintiff — not necessarily plaintiff, but an interested party to the libel suit against them, without whom they
thought they might succeed in defending that libel suit.
In view of the fact that their libel has caused a fantastic amount of damage to date in terms of financial recompense and is attempting to build a false image of a man and an activity and an organization, their expenses on this could be considered to be relatively high. So therefore they did undertake to send Younghusband to Rhodesia to get me imprisoned or shot and then if that failed, denied re-entry into the United Kingdom and then vilified and discredited so that the testimony would not count in this suit.
And this is sub justice and it is not intimidation of witnesses — it is the intent to kill one. And that is a criminal offense and Sir William Carr and Cecil King are, at the very least, accessories if not one directors of these crimes. And this is a criminal matter and therefore of great interest to us. Now I think it should be explored on that basis and we do what we can on that basis, and see where we get. Okay?
Now there is one other action here. There is exchange of policy — I have found this to be the case in carrying out investigations of noisome and slanderous remarks — they are very often invented, as one knows, but they come quite commonly from criminal sources.
Now that was the first datum I had on this subject in 1954 — I found out in counting noses that the people who had done the most — twenty-one people — who had done the most to damage Dianetics had criminal records and seventeen of them I verified. I just got tired at seventeen and said this is too many. Now this was very interesting, because subsequent history of these people is also very interesting.
They all came a cropper with fantastic spectacularity before they got through. So I never worried about splinter groups and haven’t since. You notice this thing called “the Prophets” or something like that — well that’s just typical of the splinter group.
You notice we don’t hear anything of this Watson – “Amprinistics” or whatever he was, we don’t hear anything of him any more and so on. I don’t worry about splinter groups. What I worry about is entheta — and this is a change of policy.
Something I’ve just discovered. That in view of the fact that they have criminal backgrounds or in view of the fact that investigation will reveal this, our investigation should therefore go forward on the discovery of crime.
In a case of entheta or enturbulation, that we should go forward on this matter to the discovery of a crime as a first action. That we should act on this crime, not use it as blackmail or make some illegal use of it, but just as a public body and reform organization act on this crime, and then when it is acted upon — then we sue. This is about as malicious and vicious perhaps as one could get but then you are suing a discredited source and this would become hallmarked after a while.
They’d say, “The Scientologists must have done that because first he was jailed and then he was sued.” And so that you could lead to an expectancy that if somebody was very ambitious in spreading malicious gossip and rumour against Scientology or its principles, that they would be investigated with an effort to discover a criminal act; that the organization would then act to have them incarcerated and at that time, when they are discredited in this line, they would then be sued for libel and slander. Now I have had to step up the bargaining of Ethics on the public front — that is to say the duress that we apply because we obviously aren’t applying quite enough pressure to cause the people’s banks to behave while we get on with our job.
Now with Ethics lines you see, you’ve got to apply just enough restraint — you don’t ever apply too much restraint — and you don’t apply too little: you’ve got to apply enough restraint.
Well obviously we have Ethics and we are putting it in a public front — we aren’t putting it in with enough velocity. Now, if we expect to get technology in in the world we must then, first, get in Ethics.
Now Ethics springs up as enturbulence against Scientology — when Ethics comes up with enturbulence against Scientology it makes it impossible for us to get on with the job.
Now this is regardless of any operation which comes up, OT Base or any operation of this kind. It’s obvious to me, after my study of four months, that we will have to get in Ethics on a broad social level before we can ever get in technology because these people are just too crazy and it’s like trying to help a wounded buffalo out of a wallow and that is not the same activity.
We say to this fellow, “You’ve got a lot of worries,” and “You have a lot of family trouble,” and that sort of thing.
“Well, we can make you more clever and if you were a bit more clever you could handle your problems.”
And we say this and instantly we get gored. So it’s a case in point.
So this, I’m officially telling you that this is the new policy; it’s on a broad social basis. We concentrate on getting in Ethics and then we follow that up with tech. And that is the policy. And then where possible — where we have discovered a great deal of entheta coming back at us, then we intend to get this handled by investigating it back to a criminal act by the person.
A criminal act is disassociated from the entheta of course but that’s what they are trying to defend or something and we get that and then we put on the pressure publicly to have that person prosecuted for that particular act and then when they have been prosecuted — or are being prosecuted — or are just beautifully discredited at that particular moment, then we serve them with a summons [?] law and order, assault and battery or whatever they did is not of interest to us except to discredit them and then we serve that with a suit for libel or slander.
That seems to me to be a fairly good work-out of it. Now I’ve been cheek by jowl by the water in the wog world all on my [lonesome]. No barricades, no barriers of anything, and I’ll tell you with this much velocity — how I lasted for four months I will never know — I will never know [?] these people were scared stiff of me, they were scared stiff to do anything else and I probably would have gotten away with it all the way if it hadn’t been for this action here in England. But this is obvious to me that Peter Younghusband came down and now this despatch in the hands of Mrs. Draper of the Salisbury Office in which he reports to me the telephone call of Peter Younghusband and my reply to her to stall him off, tell him to come in next Thursday. Now here — this was a waiting action; he was calling me up in beautiful timing to find out if it had happened to me yet, to get the comment, you see. And this was the rumour line and this caught me before the other — before the actual service of this letter. This letter was just nothing you see; it actually refuses to extend my visa beyond its first extension; it had already been extended once.
And the consequences of that are rather fabulous, but in view of the fact that their action denied me the profit of about a quarter of a million pounds worth of deals and jeopardized some fifty thousand pounds worth of assets and brought damage and widespread dismay so as to destroy another quarter of a million pounds worth of good will, which had been built up during that period. I would say that that is not an actionable thing in Civil Court — I would say it is a criminal act, but more important, that is actionable in a Civil Court but the reason it was done comes under the heading of crime.
So my whole proposal here is that we explore and I leave it to you from here on because I’ve got an Organization to get back together again so all I’m doing is winding up my cycle of action on this and you’ve had press to handle, you’ve got public presence to handle, you are now going into Worldwide Ethics — you know we’ll do it here before we move it into anything like OT Base or something like that.
But unless we get Ethics in very broadly, we won’t ever get technology in on this planet. And all I’m doing is ending this cycle of action and giving you my views — or, if you wish to so consider them, orders and instructions with regard to this.
Now I do not say that you can in actual fact implement this act but you can try and you can explore it with some enthusiasm to see if you can’t possibly do this because, if we can pull this trick off, then I see that without any OT machine guns hanging in mid air firing madly, we might be able to get Ethics in, you see, on a planetary basis.
Now we must go in on a gradient so we’ll take it from where we sit at this moment with the primary principles and more forward on this with some success. I wish to point out to you that the world is in sufficiently bad ethics condition as to make not only Scientology but civilization in peril.
It is a very, very sorry situation whereby you have the United States now encroaching on and treading upon the toes of an atomically armed nation, China. You have Russia about ready to turn around and back up China, even though it’s an enemy. You have at this time three forces involved in Africa. You have the Empire — the old Empire — forces from England. You have the resistive white supremacy population and you have the Communist interests which are going to prevent any reasonable solution if they possibly can until war can occur.
And then when war has occurred, then they will take their chances of getting into power. But if they can just lock the situation up — lock it up good until finally it bursts into flames, then they feel they might have a chance of taking over.
Now the reason they want southern Africa is very obvious–its fantastic quantities of wide-open productive land on which enormous quantities of food can be raised; tremendous labour supply in the Bantu, the Mashombe, the Matabele, these people are very hard-working people and under proper direction are quite productive.
The place has not even been tapped with regard to gold and there is probably oil there, the greatest world supply of chrome — there’s a mountain five miles long with is a sold chrome-owner. There’s all these various things. Now, Brazzaville — up in that area — there’s tungsten and they’ve already made a bite on that end of it.
But here’s this fantastic, wealthy, relatively empty land — perhaps the last great empty land then, and here is this perfectly valid labour supply — the African, who at this time is not being well utilized at all; he’s not being utilized really. I know we think he’s enslaved and is in chains and is working like mad. The fact of the matter is he’s sitting rather hopelessly out on the Reserve wishing somebody would put him to work because he hasn’t got enough to eat and he hasn’t the implements or capital with which to develop his tribal lands and he’s in bad shape. So, and also he’s sort of been blocked out of society, he’s not been permitted to participate with the white society. Now all of this adds up to just this — here’s a very large, wealthy land and, just to give you some background here.
All right, holding this up is just one person who has got this thing tied up in a nut — the person who prevents a settlement with England is Jacky Harman, Minister of Information, Tourism and Immigration. Nothing that has struck me — because it naturally would strike me — now he will neither clear up the security — the insecurity inside the Rhodesian government nor act to alleveiate the British situation, but he fears anybody who is anti-Communist.
All a man has to be is anti-Communist and Jacky fires him. Now this has gone to three stubborn anti-Communist personalities — Ivor Benson, a fellow named Haaker and Nigel Bruce Hankey. These three chaps are very, very good, and are experts on this subject and Harman has fired them.
Now in addition to that, he operates with very poisonous influence upon the Prime Minister and the society itself is utterly controlled by his super-secret police which are entirely different to the normal internal police forces and they just stockade anybody at the drop of a hat, he does anything. He is a Goebbels and a Hess all tied up into one nut — there’s one Suppressive and he’s sitting in the middle of the Rhodesian situation, breaking England’s heart, causing fantastic trouble overseas — there he sits.
Now if Mr. Jacky Harman put himself in stockade, I assure you that the entire situation would be solved.
We used to say “Well, its the White Supremacy people of Southern Africa who are stopping it all.” I think if you counted noses in South Africa and Rhodesia — I think if you counted those noses, I think you would find out that you were probably only dealing with a dozen people in all — or less!
I know that in Rhodesia, the Rhodesian Front, is just dying to settle with England, so are the Africans, so are the Asiatics, so are the Coloureds — these people all want to settle and Ian Smith no longer represents, don’t you see, the will of the people.
So here is an Ethics situation which comes down to an individual. Now I don’t know what we need in order to resolve these situations but we needn’t go out on a far flung world front in order to find trouble because we’ve got trouble we can experiment with already.
But I think that Ethics should not introvert onto Scientologists quite so much as it is doing. I think it should extrovert out into society against people who are really non-Scientologists, who are actively harming Scientology — those are the thoughts I have had in regard to this and whether they bear up in long practice or not we have yet to see, but I have had four months here of cheek by jowl observation of the wog world and I find out that they’re not very smart; that they tell very, very weird tales; that they are extremely suspicious, and in absence of factual information they make it up.
They are very information-happy, and I have an instance where the Number Two — probably Viet Nam is Number One, but probably Number Two international situation today I have now found the guy who has got it blocked into a situation that will not resolve — one man, one man! And everyone thinks it’s Smith, you see, they think it’s the Rhodesian Front. They’ve made this mistake so that’s inadequate –let me point this out — inadequate investigation.
There may be somebody had to be in there inside, cheek by jowl with these people to find out this datum and maybe that insight isn’t given to the normal intelligence operative of England or America’s CIA or something like that, but they depend to a marked degree upon the newspaper reporters who themselves are creating a situation in order to serve other masters or write news about it or something like that.
But anyway, I didn’t want to make a speech about it — just pointing out to you that Ethics situations hang up on individuals and the less we generalize, the more [we] particularize, the
better we are. So there’s always a preliminary investigation as to who is it — now we’ve somewhat taken this in that we’ve found out that there were only two directors of the newspaper syndicate but we in actual fact don’t know which one of those to is the Suppressive — it’s not necessarily true that they are both Suppressive. But nevertheless we will move in that direction.
Now we know that they’ve committed a criminal act because they confess to it by using the material.
So what my contribution to this is — my streak of genius on the matter — is the accessories to receiving stolen goods at least and then if there is some way we can make that stick in some fashion and get them under the gun for that, then we follow right in behind with a civil suit on our libel slander. Then perhaps — and I don’t know of any reason why you can’t follow a criminal suit with a civil suit, I think it’s rather common, istn’t it?
Look — now we’ll explore this — probably you’ll have a lot of considering — perfectly all right with me if you hire a seemingly huge […] of barristers or something of the sort — this we couldn’t care less about — understand? Don’t feel that you’re going it alone on this basis, but unless we plough forward on a programme, we will continue to be in some sort of trouble, so let’s test this programme out. Let’s see if we can’t unravel this thing in that way and let’s pilot our way through this thing without any magical occurrences. Okay?
All right — now are there any questions?
Guardian: Well, it’s not a question but I just was thinking that you were saying there that maybe one Suppressive and I would think that would be Cecil King.
Because it was his newspaper that paid [?] to steal material down here and it is his relative that owned the Daily Mail, so there you’ve got two factors that say that Cecil King might be the one.
Oh — you’ll have to tie it up — I don’t even know the position if where a Company can be sued for a criminal act.
Well this might wrap it up, you see. I think he’s thinking right now in terms of the company.
Any other questions?
Legal: [ ]
Well, if you action needs any further investigation, you should instruct your investigators to do so. Now, I don’t know what your investigators have at this particular time on psychiatry but they in actual fact should find a psychiatrist who had made libelous utterances against Dianetics or Scientology or against me and they should find the crime of which he is guilty — they should get him arrested, just one. They should promptly get him arrested for this and they we should sue him.
Now we can make that a pilot project on the lines and this would tend to [cover?] the general situation.
Now when we first came out with this plan of investigation and so forth, we ran into a liability. I want to point that out. That if we did not carry it forward ambitiously and successfully, it would backfire. Well, it’s backfired so therefore we haven’t carried forward ambitiously enough. We’ve not exerted sufficient pressure.
Now the purpose of Ethics is to exert enough pressure to make the exterior duress slightly greater than the interior duress of obeying the bank. And that is the whole secret of discipline. And they commonly over-discipline. It’s very, very interesting that any trouble they have with the Africans in Rhodesia has been that they’re disciplining them but they have relatively few internal pressures to overcome so the external pressure is against somebody who is perfectly willing. And that’s what’s causing the trouble.
For instance, my boy Jamble — he smokes dacca, he gambles and he drinks, mostly native beer, and so forth. Now although I’ve seen him a little bit reeling or his eyes describing slight circles when he fixed them, I have never seen at any moment — oh yes, and I’ve suddenly seen him get eloquent — under a bit of native beer after he’d been out in the afternoon — not one single one of these acts got in the road of him doing his job.
So I used to tell him “Yes, I know Jamble — you’re a good boy even though you do drink and smoke dacca and gamble — that has nothing to do with me, you’re still a good boy.”
And you know he came way up tone arm. I noticed he drank less and I think he stopped smoking dacca entirely. But he didn’t stop gambling, because Master used to give him a pound to go out to the race track with and lose.
Now these boys were all willing, but they’re over-disciplined.
Now the Scientologist, not to make a comparison but the Scientologist is perfectly willing and is at this time by Ethics being over-disciplined, so we are over-disciplining the Scientologist and under-disciplining society and we should reverse that — reverse that very definitely. If anything, under discipline the Scientologist and over-discipline the society.
Now in that direction you’d still win but in the direction we are going we won’t. If you under-discipline a society and over-discipline Scientologists, why, we’ve had it. As a Scientologist
normally is very, very willing.
We’ve got to upgrade the idea of what is a Suppressive, as Suppressives really are nuts. They are really damaging, Suppressives and so forth.You only need a few heads on a pike.
Well, I didn’t want this to be a lecture — this is a conference. Any questions?
Guardian-Comm: I have one more: this guy that came over from England to Rhodesia that instigated having you taken out. What was his name?
Peter Younghusband. London Daily Mail.
Guardian-Comm: Oh, I see.
He has a brother, oddly enough, in Rhodesia — so he was the logical choice.
Guardian-Comm: The Daily Mail, then was the source of his coming to …
Oh yes, and it’s obviously [?]. Now he went to Harman and he told Harman a bunch of lies. And Harman avidly, because I was not for the Communists, accepted these lies and stampeded the Prime Minister with them, who then re-uttered them to a Committee of the Rhodesian Front that knew they were lies, that succeeded in discrediting both Harman and the Prime Minister in the face of their own political party and this will have fantastic repercussions.
Although we are playing around the basis that it was political — it was actually an effort on the part of the group to get off the hook because we can throw some damage at them. But this has been my thinking on it, that’s all.
Anything else? All right.
Oh, these are just verbal instructions. I have made a tape, so that you can review it in case of argument. I won’t bother to review unless there’s an argument because I think it’s all pretty
obvious and I wish to tell you that I’m off that line now, don’t you see — I’m definitely offline.
I was snapped off it rather interestingly — Bonwick took me a tour of the branch and what he’d been doing last night and I snapped straight to Saint Hill totally and frankly it’s been like digging in the mud to dictate out the reports and the letters and finish off this other cycle of action because I’m frankly no longer very interested in it.
I’m interested in right now the Organization; I want to see if it’s functioning all right and I’m going around picking things that are quite obvious and we picked up two or three like, like HCO is full of unanswered despatches — the last Division in the place that should be full uf unanswered despatches. But I understand you just transferred the HCO Area Sec, but now I suddenly spot that this new HCO Area Sec hadn’t had time enough — in fact hasn’t had time enough to let that many papers accumulate, so your new ES Comm/HCO should of course go to the Org Exec Sec or the Org Executive Course straight away and should specialize in the policies of HCO because he didn’t read somewhere along the line that HCO’s communications organization and as particles travel with rapidity and he’s Clear so he will pick it up in an awful hurry.
And next action I found the usual — that Letter Registrar didn’t know that she should look for things she could query and get into real communication with the person so that she would get a proper response. I think I’ve spotted also that they are not stuffing information bits –. For instance, right now I would be stuffing Clear Sec EDs into their outgoing Letter Reg mail. Then the guy’d read it. Any current Clear Sec ED, you see: Clear no. 19 — I’d just stick this in, completely noncommittally. That’s an under-sell.
I’d do something like this but it’s interesting that Joan McNocher doesn’t know how to do this, because she was a specialist on it in Jo’burg — she really carried on a – stuffed into those letters like mad, so it may be being done, but probably the wrong stuff is being stuffed.
We have a new book and also we really do need a book that is a very plain basic public-level book, which explains everything — it’s much harder to write though than any other book that you might think of.
I discovered a new gadget that I might tell you about just in passing, to close you off on another note, entirely non-sequitur.
Somebody has been critical of Scientology, you see. You take a copy of Problems of Work out of your pocket and say, “Here, here’s a book on Scientology. Read that and find out if there’s anything in there to be critical about. Well, go ahead — find something to object to.”
And the guy’s supposed to be looking for something to object to, and of course he starts reading and doesn’t find anything to object to, and he gets interested and it washes it away and that’s a trick — gimmick, but that is also a cousin to getting Ethics in, in general.
Now Ethics WW will undoubtedly be gotten in from OT Base but apparently we’re involved in a problem right this minute and so I think we should get on with it.
Okay, thank you very much for coming in.
- Document studied on Confidential GO Intelligence Course. PDF format. To generate the text, I used SPDL’s hard copy of the transcript and the digital version at http://www.solitarytrees.net/cowen/go/conf1807/c180766a.htm. I also added some formatting for ease of reading and made other minor edits. ↩
6th May, 19661
TALK TO THE SAINT HILL STAFF & THE STAFF OF WW
From Salisbury, Rhodesia. This is RON:
First of all, How are you? I have a lot of things to say about what you have been doing but more of that shortly. Reg is just now leaving and coming to England and he made all sorts of statements to me that I had jolly well better make you a tape. Actually he told me in the last day he was here that I have to write a book for you, that is before he left, of course, and to make a three-hour lecture and take forty or fifty photographs. This seemed to be a bit of a steep assignment for the last day but I am at least doing my best and giving you this short tape just to tell you Hello!
The important thing is not so much what I am doing but what you are doing. The truth of the matter is that after I spent from April 1964 to January of 1966 putting Saint Hill together and putting in through 1965 the Seven-Division system and writing up all of its policy letters and straightening out its lines, I now had to know whether or not it was a workable system. Well the test of whether or not it was a workable organization and whether or not you could do your job and actually whether or not Scientology could take the planet, all depended on whether or not you could make it yourselves, not with me standing there driving you and talking madly to straighten out the goofs but whether or not you and your combined efforts and whether or not this combined effort as represented by the Seven-Division system of organization could succeed.
I finished up quite a few policy letters while I was in Las Palmas and neated up some various points that needed neating up — I still have one of those to neat up, I have to give you your conditions, formulas, completely, but all that time I was waiting to see how you made out.
Then when I came down South I was still waiting to see how you made out. On the 22nd March, 1966, I received 21 R2 from Suzie saying “Ron SH in Affluence”. Well this was very good news and I then patiently waited thinking that was fine but it didn’t prove much, since it had more or less been in affluence when I had left, and on the 7th April 1966 I receive 123WW which read as follows
“Ron Div. 7 SH Statistic for week ending 7.4.66. is £9,861 ARC highest yet Love Helen and John”.
Well, that pleased me very much. This meant that one had had a record week there and that this had been done without direct coaching from me and I was very satisfied.
I began to think that I had more or less made it and the organizational line-up was following and the staff was doing very, very well and then on the 14th April 1966 I received 141 WW
“Ron SH Statistic week end 14.4.66. is £12,039. Love Virginia”.
Well now, that was fantastic and although even though I was aware of having plotted the original promotion which resulted in that, it had to be followed through and it meant that you were doing your jobs excellently well. So therefore I became very confident and I could adjudicate then that the Saint Hill pattern of organization and the new WW Executive Division were working very well and the net summary I gave that is that Scientology organizations all by themselves could take the planet. And they could take the planet without my being there and driving every point of it — because of course I can do a lot, but I can do just so much and then the lines jam at the top if there isn’t an adequate organization. But with not being there at all and seeing the statistics go up to this degree gave me a great deal of confidence and made me feel that finally the bridge was in; the bridge was in technically; the bridge was in organisationally; everything was fine.
Now, along with all of that, of course, before I left Las Palmas, I had news that John McMaster had flown back from Los Angeles and had been checked out Clear. Well, that was very, very terrific because it so happens that I never audited John McMaster and this meant that people I had not audited; people following standard technology; people going right down the line with standard technology, with no flooks or freaks connected with it, had a possibility of making Clear. So this meant that standard technology was working and that the Gradation Chart which was refined in ’65 was accurate and was following straight on through.
Then a few weeks later I received a cable that John Imburgia had made Clear and at the same time I receive—just before that, rather — had received worrisome news that some of the cases were taking longer to go Clear and then John Imburgia went Clear and that made me very happy and then on 21 April ’66 I received cable 159WW “Pam Pearcy has checked out Clear after ten runs and had passed check-outs completely.” And then on 4 May 1966 I received 218 WW “Pat Scufari has passed Clear test today” and that made four. So after this, why I’m not worrying — the rest of you will come up the line and make it.
Now I knew indeed that the technical bridge was in all the way through to Clear. Ahead of that largely unexplored and not vital in its technology to the lower echelons, is of course Operating Thetan. This area is relatively unknown and just exactly what the total potentials of an Operating Thetan are have not been explored but I can say this, that everything that I try to say that an Operating Thetan can do as the total limit of his ability and so forth, reads as an invalidation on my E-meter. Oh, we know that the capabilities are great but we have no idea how great. But the important line is up to Clear, since Operating Thetan in itself is mostly familiarity and exercise. Well, this means then that you, working on staff, are doing a job using the Seven-Division system and making the technology operate all the way and then barring cataclysmic catastrophe or some kind or another of a planetary basis, will be able to take the rest of the planet in due course.
Now I did receive a bit of a shock when Reg came down and showed me some photographs. Well, I’d asked Reg to take some photographs before he left Saint Hill so I could see how everything looked and he didn’t say anything about anything — I was sitting there and I was looking at the screen and all of a sudden a photograph of that building came up and it was the same as it had been in December and I didn’t say anything to Reg, I simply went in and sent a cable. We thrashed this thing out and we found a Suppressive in the line-up and I am sure that construction is getting off the launching pad.
The danger of this is that selling advance bookings at the degree that you were selling them, you could easily have crashed the organization by not providing facilities and by George you’d better mark that down in big letters that this is a very big danger that as you expand you will not provide quarters and you must provide them — you must provide quarters for future expansion. A great deal of your income must be spent on the provision of future quarters because expansion also requires buildings.
However, I didn’t blame you very hard for this as a staff and as Executives for this reason: I had not in actual fact thoroughly shed the Hat of Construction and I am sure that the Estate Division is improperly placed in the Third Division and the reason it is improperly placed is that the Third Division is not an origin point for the organisation. The origin point for the organisation is the Office of LRH and the Estate Division, complete with the maintenance of charters and so forth, must go into the Office of LRH.Now sooner or later, local maintenance of quarters might be able — I mean just in terms of changing light bulbs and keeping the floors clean might possibly go into the Third Division but it is so much part and parcel to Construction and Grounds and Upkeep and all that sort of thing that I think it goes along with origin.
So anyway the main fault here — it showed up a fault in the Organisation. It showed up that origin, Office of LRH and Construction and so forth were misplaced in the Organisation and so I, having broad shoulders, am very happy to take responsibility for that but let me still give you a grim warning on the subject. Don’t for Heavens sake sell fantastic quantities of Advance Bookings without providing the professional technical staff, well trained and well able to deliver and the quarters necessary to furnish service and the administrative expansion necessary to serve the service. Now that is a big lesson to be learned along. Perhaps there will be others but it isn’t too vital because I caught it but it still shows that I am needed to some degree in the line-up. Well it shows that the Heavy Hussar Hat — you know, the Heavy Hussars always lie as a squadron, a regiment, out to the flank of the battle and if it gets to going too bad, the Heavy Hussars go in and straighten out the lines. And it shows just this, that I still have to keep my eye on it a bit.
But, in all due respect to one and all, you’re doing splendidly and I think it was a misarrangement on the organization pattern. I think this was the only flaw that we have found so far that would have been a big enough flaw to have made a serious dent in things. So, in essence, I feel that you’re doing very, very fine. I think you’re doing splendidly, I’m proud of you — every one of you — for carrying on and handling the things the way you handle them; keeping income up and so forth and don’t sit there thinking now that I’ve berated you roundly and shot you down with guns on the subject of construction. I haven’t. Let me make that very, very clear — I believe that Construction in any other position in the organisation but the Office of LRH is misplaced.
It’s an amusing point, by the way, that Construction has to be furnished by you in the future — a rather high rate of build and when you do it that way it costs more money and any time you put something that costs more money in the Third Division you can absolutely count on the fact that somebody there will save money. This makes what’s called an abstract loss — you can save a pound or two now but you’ve just got through wasting several thousand pounds next month. But that’s no cry against the Third Division either, it’s just that Third Division quite rightly, should be very saving of money and people who are saving of money should not be in charge of construction of future facilities. So, aside from that wiggle on the lines, all is well and I still think that you are going to take the planet just as organisations, barring possible catastrophe
All right, now let’s get down to this basis of catastrophe and once more we’re getting down to the Heavy Hussar Hat and there I sit in the woods, ready to turn the enemy’s flank if there is too much confusion in the battle line and this problem of catastrophe and so forth is the only thing now that we can keep you from taking the whole ruddy planet because your organisations will expand, your technology will maintain a high level, you’ll be able to train new technical personnel and somehow or other work with the strains and stresses of expansion and taking care of more and more traffic.
But there are two things that you are not at this time gauged to take care of: one is the fact that there is an up statistic sitting over there in Russia. That up statistic on the part of Russia is conquered territory. Now if you will simply — this isn’t anything to do with me being against Communism or anything like that, I couldn’t care less — but here is an up statistic sitting over there and if you get the number of square miles and the number of people who have passed under Communism in the last twenty years, you will see that this is pretty fantastic and, for instance, right after 1945 seven hundred and fifty million human beings who had never before been under Communism passed under its yoke and this expansion of Communist ground terrain and capita — well not to use that word but population — is something which you’re running neck and neck with. It could happen that in the next decade or two the areas of the world could be blanketed by this weird philosophy.
Now, democracy tends to go into socialism — socialism inevitably bankrupts itself and the moment it does it goes into Communism. So whether Russia took the rest of the world or not, the socialistic tendencies and so forth are certainly going to crash the whole show unless something is done about it. Now this means in essence just this way: you’ve got an expanding population and a socialistic philosophy that everybody, no matter whether he lies in the sun or something, or anything, whatever he does, why the State somehow owes him a living. Well that leaves just a few blokes working and more and more population to take care of, you see and more and more hand out by the State and less and less work being done and when you finally get it down to the final last dregs, well the machine breaks down — socialistic machinery breaks down; the economic lines break down and suddenly the atmosphere is laid for revolution and bango — there is suddenly a new Communist state. This is how it is being done.
So with this up statistic on the part of Communism, you could, somewhere up the line in the next few years, run into this trouble as an organization. Now I’ve done several things about this and one of the things is I have developed a government which is based on seven divisions. I needn’t say anymore — you see I have to figure out these things from O.T. base viewpoint now and this is not a vital concern of yours.
Well, it’s interesting that you could figure out a whole government on the seven division system and you could put it into a form whereby every company or corporation belonged there in the Production Division and you had all types of correction and that sort of thing in the Qualifications Division and you could do all kinds of wild things — the whole society, actually, could be fitted into one.
Well that doesn’t mean that we’re about to take over the society but it does mean that we can present a form of government, if you want to call it that, which is probably more socialistic than socialism and we could criticise now both the socialist and communist state and do you know that they have members — they have actually members of their country; they have actually citizens, who are not staff members! Isn’t that terrible? And they are denying their citizens the right to be staff members. Anyway, that’s a wild dream from one point or another but frankly, working it over, it looks like a very efficient and effective activity regardless of who is sitting there in Dept. 21.
So that is a thought and more importantly we have now got Section 5 and Section 5 with its investigatory techniques can roll back and locate the blackmail which the communist and revolutionary used to force utterances from political figures and if we just keep running back in the society anybody who attacks us; running back as to his personal background and so forth, we’ll wind up with the blackmail that makes it possible for the communist or super-socialist to manipulate this fellow and when we run into that of course we don’t really have to do anything with it; it’ll probably blow up.
So what we’ve done is come up to the necessity to operate as Third Dynamic auditors so this makes our organisation reform groups and we have to work on it and work at it and we have to investigate the rotten spots of the society and those rotten spots investigated will blow just like an auditor auditing a preclear and if we regard ourselves as an auditor to society and our role as an auditor simply investigatory to find the jammed spots and the rotten spots and the down spots and the mean ones in the society, why then we will keep the society audited.
We’re getting too big now to neglect our role as auditor to the society and what is actually happened is that we ourselves have been unable to take our minds off the idea of auditing the individual long enough to see that we as an organisation must audit the society or the society will stay too rotten and too aberrated to work with.
The society is psychotic and we can handle the individual — that’s our main business — but at the same time we are auditors to the society: unless we keep the society audited we are denying auditing to the society and that is the trouble we get into. Now it is very easy to select what to investigate from a Section Five viewpoint, extremely easy, since all we have to do is to find out anybody who is attacking us and then run back that situation and the individuals in it and we’ll clean up the rotten spots. So that’s the approach to reduction of the statistic of Communism.
Now there is also an economic situation which is very bad. Not only is there what’s left of civilization being shotgunned from the communist areas but also it is being mowed down from the world bank areas. In other words, the trick here is to make a country as insolvent as possible so that it will borrow as much money as possible and therefore that country can be made to pay back such vast interest rates and such huge sums of money through overtaxation of its population that somebody gets rich some place else. Now this theory of how you depress the providency of a government in order then to tax and more or less own the country as a whole is probably the reason back of the African new black states, the present semi-confusion and dissolution of the government of England which owes the World Bank £900,000,000 and will owe it more and more and more and more and you’ll notice that the whole budget was paying back that World Bank, paying back that World Bank. Well of course they’ll never pay back the World Bank and the World Bank will end up owning England.
So you have the super-capitalist shooting at civilisation, you have the super-communist shooting at civilisation and between the two there is some possibility that you might not make it, you might get disrupted on route. So therefore Avenue Two has received my attention and there’s going to be a brand new civilisation arising in Africa which could salvage the old civilisation. Now if we can get white population, immigrants and big companies and so on moving into Africa and if we can get with that Scientology well established in Southern Africa, why we can then look forward to a salvage operation base, in case the northern hemisphere’s lights go out.
So the main chance is you see that you’ll just go on and take the northern hemisphere and the rest of the world. But if by some flook or inefficiency or incompetency or ineffectiveness or something like that, but ethics officers and so on — somehow or other you skid just enough to let the communist-capitalist war muck up the civilisation in which you are operating. Why then, even if that went by the boards, we still wouldn’t lose Scientology — we still wouldn’t lose the bridge and we would be moving on up into the society to take it again from Southern Africa providing that has been propped up or beefed up.
Now, there is also something else that might happen and that is atomic war and if atomic war occurred it most likely would occur in the Northern Hemisphere and would not affect the Southern Hemisphere. So therefore the second avenue; the main chance you see is that you just go on and take the world, organization — just as you’re going now, founding new organizations, WW, running more things and — that is running more organizations and everything going along smoothly and your tech up and furnishing new quarters and your income coming up and your statistics rising and so forth. You just go on and take the planet but there is a second avenue and that second avenue is possible through a reformation of Africa and all we have to do is make sure that this civilization of Southern Africa is, keeps going and keeps perpetuating itself and so forth and we will still have Scientology in spite of something happening in the Northern Hemisphere.
Hubbard’s proposed constitution would have almost certainly allowed the white ruling minority to continue in power while the black majority remained disenfranchised.
All right — there’s a third avenue and that third avenue I will be working on in a very few months and that is the O.T. base proper. All this is part of Mission. Mission is actually Avenue Two, which is a new continent in Africa, developed and able to function despite atomic fission, cataclysms that might occur in Northern Hemisphere and that also includes O.T. base and O.T. base of course is a final recourse on assisting the political situation and restraining various forces from engulfing civilization until we can get there organizationally. Now I’ll be working on that — I’m working on it right now as a matter of fact, but I will be working on it hammer and tongs in just a few months. Southern Africa is just a passing glance — this doesn’t amount to so very much, but it does furnish a second avenue and I’m getting the impulses in in this particular area to make sure that it stabilises politically so that it will not blow up. I’m trying, in actual sober fact, to get one vote — one man one vote — in down here and get it in in such a way that we won’t explode the whole civilisation and destroy everybody just because a political reform has been instituted. And this is not as hard to do as you would think. I have considerable acquaintance with this area of the world, by the way; over a considerably longer period of time than is immediately apparent.
Now, what’s going to happen to the Clears? Well the Clears are to stay with the organisations at the present moment and ought to help organisations out to be effective and efficient and carry the ball there and as soon as I get an O.T. base established — certainly within a year — why, I’ll want Clears at O.T. base and we’ll move forward from that point but right now Clears can do the most good by standing by the organisations, working in the organisations and raising their standards of efficiency.
So — there are three avenues, three avenues: you are the main chance. I am simply lying out on the flank of the operation at the present moment, seeing what has to be patched up and seeing what you can’t run and seeing if you make out all right and at the same time getting in a second chance of making sure that civilization cannot be extinguished on the planet and our technology lost by trying to put in a proper political stability in Southern Africa and making it possible for this to boom in case the lights go out in the Northern Hemisphere and the third chance I will be operating on and it will be in full blasting action within about a year, will be O.T. Base. Now this is what I’m engaged on right now is Mission. And Mission is simply the action of safeguarding the fact that organisations are going to roll forward and take the planet. You will roll forward and take the planet but one of the reasons you will is because I am at this moment out on the flank making very very sure that awful things will happen to people who try to interrupt our progress.
So now you understand what’s going on. Now I’m not doing anything very drastic but I suppose in planetary terms it would sound pretty exciting. Reg could probably tell you more about that.
Now I see they’ve just backed out the car out here and they are getting all ready to pack Reg aboard and he’s about to go down and get on his aircraft and fly away to England and he will take this tape with him. And I am much, much closer to you than you think and you carry on just as you’re doing and I think you’re doing fine and don’t be downcast because we had all that rickle-rackle about the Comm Ev and all that sort of thing. Great — we straightened it out and now we know what the score is and that’s all gone, that’s past history and we’re moving forward at great rate. I think you’re doing splendidly and I’m very proud of you and when I saw what you’re doing with income, shooting it up the line and what you’re doing with clearing, why I became completely convinced that we have just about everything we needed to take the planet with Scientology and we’re off the launching pad and away, so — lots of luck to you and thank you very, very much for being there and I’m looking forward to seeing you in the very, very near future — I will not be away from you very much longer. I will at least come home, no matter how briefly.
Very good — and my very best to all of you and thank you very much for being there.